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New Food Media vs. Old Food Media (or Julie vs. Julia)

07/24/09, by Kate Hopkins Email 2469 views • Categories: Food Media

The upcoming movie Julie & Julia is bringing up some interesting discussions in the food world about old-school food journal vs. new-school food journalism. Or in other words, professional food writers who work at newspapers and have had cookbooks published by mainstream publishing houses are discussing the validity of those food writers who are cutting their teeth in the blog world, and then moving on to bigger and better things.

It makes sense that this movie would initiate such a discussion, for it details the life of two women who best represent each school. In one corner, you have Julia Child, whose legacy is nearly larger than life, an icon of the food movement. In the other you have Julie Powell, an ex-food blogger whose web site hit the big time when she parleyed her exploration of Julia Child's Mastering the Art of French Cooking into a book deal and then subsequently a movie deal. Both women are quite representative of their eras, as well as the technologies of their eras, Julia Child's popularity wouldn't have been so great without television. Ms. Powell's popularity would be non-existent without blog technology, even if she strongly feels the need to disassociate herself with the blogging generation.

The old-school/new-school debate was put forth once again by Virginia Willis, a food writer and photographer who was brought in old school traditions, even as she embraces new school technologies. She had an in-depth exploration of her feelings a week or so back. The entire thing is worth a read, but this is the part that took me in:

I also read the Julie/Julia Project blog and for a time, I followed Julie Powell. I was very intrigued by her nerve actually, of cooking the book. Pretty stiff stuff for an untrained cook. Good for her, I thought. What an undertaking. But one day she made a comment implying a recipe being wrong for roast chicken. I honestly don’t remember what it was, but it struck me as being so disrespectful, completely without deference to Julia Child, that I stopped. What the hell did she know about food? Had she even heard of poulet au Bresse?

(snip)

People who happen to eat and are able to type are now our new food experts. The incredible proliferation and self-indulgent blabber of many food blogs has given people the freedom to hallucinate, “I can type and I eat, therefore I am a food journalist”!

Granted, Julie Powell did not present herself as a food expert. I am not saying she did, quite the contrary. It’s also not a case of sour grapes on my part. Bravo for her. Her food memoir was a best-seller. A rising tide floats all boats, and as a food writer, I wholeheartedly thank her.

I am not necessarily saying my writing is better. After all, who am I to question what is published in the New York Times? Of course, I recognize the irony that I am sharing this indeed in an aforementioned self-serving blog. But good grief, people who don’t know how to begin to roast a ding dang chicken without following a recipe can be our new, ahem, food experts? This makes me a bit sad and more than a bit aggravated.

There's so much I want to talk about with her perspective, I don't know where to necessarily start.

For the most part, i don't think that many individual food bloggers count themselves as food journalists. Granted my sampling is based off of those sites I happen to consume on a regular basis, but those I read come more from a personal memoir/diary perspective, with a tad bit of research thrown in to provide context. Not all food writers are food journalists, and to equate the two is doing a disservice to those who explicitly do not do food journalism.

But let's talk about expertise for a moment. Can people who simply consume food without knowing its context be considered experts? If not, does this lack of expertise diminish their experience, or make that experience less important?

First and foremost, food is a reflection of any given culture, regardless of the era in which they live. Each culture has its own ignorance of items relating to their culture. Is Pliny the Elder's position on beer to be dismissed because he didn't know of yeast, nor of beer's importance to the tribes of his enemies? Are the cooks of the Renaissance less important to food culture because they didn't know the etymology and evolution of the recipes they were using? Of course not. The same can be said of those who simply mimic recipes and discuss their value on food blogs or other similar mediums. Their input has inherent value. Just because one knows the importance of Poulet au Bresse does not mean that their insight has more cultural value from one who does not.

So if cultural currency isn't the issue, then what is? My guess is something I call "Institutional Relevancy", or how important one person is to the institution they serve, in this case: food media.

Here's an observation I have that most American food writers don't want to hear - the majority of Americans don't care about food, or at least not in the way the experts would like them to. There are many anecdotal statistics I could throw out there to support my position - the popularity of fast food restaurants, the ratio of sales of prepared food versus fresh produce, the number of people who call Kraft Singles "cheese".

"But Kate!", one might exclaim. "What about the popularity of The Food Network?"

Granted, The Food Networks growth over the past ten years or so have been impressive, but let's take a look at the shows they have on. Some of them a pure entertainment, (Ace of Cakes, Iron Chef, The Search for the Next Food Network Star), others are recipe shows that have approach cooking from a very simplistic point of view (Rachael Ray, Sandra Lee, and others), and still others are simply border line food porn (Paula Deen). My point here is that the largest food media institution has succeeded because it either treats food as entertainment, or as a dumbed-down commodity. There are exceptions on the network, to be sure, but these tend to be the exceptions, and not the rule. On the Food Network, Poulet au Bresse is afforded the same respect as any other chicken.

The proliferation of food blogs that take this simplistic approach reflect the current standard of American food knowledge. That is to say, we are how we eat - kind of mindlessly.

But this is changing. I doubt the local food movement would be as successful today without blogs, the same could be said for the organic movement five years ago. And each of these movements have entered our culinary vernacular, and have made us smarter when it comes to food.

I will admit to one trend that I find disturbing - the proliferation of food blogs who do little more than regurgitate press releases and video links. I am not a fan of Slashfood or Eat Me Daily, who seem to believe that recapping Top Chef or providing obituaries about the Taco Bell Chihuahua are relevant to cooking or restaurant going. But this is a personal bias. I'm of the belief that the more we take these sites seriously, the more likely we'll regress in our collective food knowledge.

Let me end on this - I'm a fan of Julia Child, and I believe her place in American food history is deserved. Her French Cooking cookbooks are near required for anyone's cookbook library. But how effective was the method of her message when a mere generation later, someone following her cookbook didn't understand the relevance of poulet au Bresse?


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Comment from: Emily [Visitor]
Um, Kate, I don't think that Slashfood or EMD "believe that recapping Top Chef or providing obituaries about the Taco Bell Chihuahua are relevant to cooking or restaurant going." I think they believe that those things are relevant to food culture as a whole, which is way bigger than what you cook or what you pay other people to cook.

Being old-school doesn't mean being narrow-minded, despite your apparent beliefs otherwise. Try embracing a growing, expanding culture instead of complaining that the wonderful proliferation of content and coverage that the internet has enabled isn't 100% to your liking.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 08:47
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Like I said, Emily, this is my bias. You don't have to like it.

To the point, most of their perspective are relevant to marketing and entertainment, rather than food itself.

That said, I'll take a food blog written and promoted by individuals over those who are collectively represent themselves as institutions any day of the week.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 08:49
Comment from: Emily [Visitor]
But that's like saying fashion journalism is a blight because it deals with designers and trends instead of just talking about fabrics and techniques; or that film journalism is dragging in the dust because it cares about studios and blockbusters instead of just talking about different camera angles and theories of plot; or that business journalism has jumped the shark because it mentions actual companies and follows the stock market instead of focusing on business theory and practice.

At the point where an arena becomes so culturally entrenched that it's monetized itself, insisting that coverage of that monetization is "irrelevant" to the pure core of the arena migh be your bias - but it's also objectively backwards, and paints you as a willful cultural luddite. "Our collective food knowledge" is a topic that's much bigger than just "kill animal; add fire; discuss," and conversation dealing with matters outside the kitchen has been around for far longer than the internet.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 09:05
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Not knowing anything about the fashion world prevents me from commenting upon your equivalency.

I will say this - I didn't say that SF's or EMD's food coverage isn't part of the food culture. They are. However, what they think of as important to food culture is a far cry of what I think is important, which is why I don't like them. I think an individual who tries a recipe, and writes their processes and interpretation is far more relevant in food media than letting me know of a great Saturday Night Live skit that used food as a prominent prop.

Covering restaurant openings, or commenting how food commercials are using more computer graphics is important. Telling me Susan Boyle looks like Julia Child, or who got kicked off of Top Chef? Not so much.

But again, this is merely my opinion. I'm aware of the fact that Institutional Food Media (such as Food TV, Slashfood, or heck, even eGullet) have more influence on the food culture than most individuals ever will. I'm aware of this...I just don't have to like it.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 09:29
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Additionally in regard to the statement "insisting that coverage of that monetization is "irrelevant" to the pure core of the arena might be your bias - but it's also objectively backwards"

Well, that's putting words in my mouth. Commercialism is of itself it's own topic, and food marketing and PR is a subset of that larger set. It's only relevance to food is that it was the vehicle in which it came to the commercialism party. It has as much to do with food, as Entertainment Tonight has to do with film making. It's more reflective of consumer's desire for entertainment than it is of food itself. It is more culturally significant to the arena of marketing than of food


PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 10:06
Comment from: Simon [Visitor] Email · http://simonthibaudeau.org/blog
x-posted there:

The whole article certainly would have a little more impact if the author had bothered doing her research and realized that Bresse is a place, in France, and the chicken is coming from there, thus Poulet de Bresse. 10 seconds google search would have answered that question...
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 10:20
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Simon, I think Viginia was alluding to the fact that the recipe Julia Child had techniques made with the chicken in question in mind, and that Ms. Powell's disregard for this bit of knowledge was her missing the point of the recipe. I'm guessing here, but I believe Ms. Willis knows that poulet au Bresse is a type of chicken
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 10:28
Comment from: Simon [Visitor] Email · http://simonthibaudeau.org/blog
My point was that it is NOT Poulet AU bresse but Poulet DE Bresse.

Showing that her reasearch is not up to to the level of a "proper" journalist either.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 10:50
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Ah.. My bad.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 10:53
Comment from: Mithrandir [Visitor] Email · http://www.soundandfury.info/
Some people derive great pleasure from being a fan. There are a lot of food fans out there. They really enjoy the food network, and things like chihuahua obits.

There are also people who pursue food as an art and a craft, both from the active, creative perspective and the passive, consumption perspective.

Often, they overlap. Sometimes they don't. I'm with Kate here, in that the whole of food fandom leaves me cold, but I very much appreciate food as an art and craft.

Where we differ is that I recognize that there will always be armchair foodies, and they make the world a better place for the rest of us, because they fill out the market for the stuff we like, stuff that might otherwise be outrageously expensive or hard to find.

So go Food Network. Raise hordes of food fans who can't cook for themselves. It'll help keep the restaurants I value open. And if some of those food fans publish books, whatever. There are professional sports commentators too, and that makes as much sense.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 11:00
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Mithrandir,

Let me clarify a point. My "dismissal" (for lack of a much, much better word) of armchair foodies is one of preference, not one of cultural or marketplace significance. I've little time for people who buy balsamic vinegar because Mario Batali happened to mention it on his show. I'd rather understand why he used balsamic, how it's made, where it fits in history, etc, etc. This is not because I feel it's more culturally significant to do so. It's because I'm an obsessive nerd who has a difficult time relating to people who don't get as obsessive as I do.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 11:24
Comment from: copy editor [Visitor]
It's also spelled "Rachael Ray."
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 12:16
Comment from: Kaffeeklatsch [Visitor] Email · http://www.petrafoede.de/blog
Pretty interesting article about an interesting topic - in my opinion there's nothing wrong in my opinion to think about the food blogosphere and the pros and cons of non professional writing. I'm professional writer and blogger (for very short time) and what I miss most in Germany, or better in the german speaking blogosphere - is food writing in general. It's just not existing, that's my impression and that's a pity. Most blogger post just recipes and photos, sometimes really great done. But it's not food writing. That are just my two cents about it.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 12:29
Comment from: jennywenny [Visitor] Email · http://www.forayintofood.blogspot.com/
What a refreshing piece. You do come across as awfully pompous though, much as I love your writing. There is always a bunch of crap along with the good stuff. I dont think things have got any worse, you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
PermalinkPermalink 07/24/09 @ 21:52
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Pompous is such a strong word. I like "misunderstood" myself.

As far as wheat from chaff - I get that. Many posts are here solely for my own benefit.
PermalinkPermalink 07/25/09 @ 09:48
Comment from: KIm - Easy French Food [Visitor] Email · http://www.easy-french-food.com/
Wow this is great. A real live discussion. Ca fait de bien. Bit afraid to jump in but I can't resist. It's funny because I've just spent the last two hours doing a little tour of food websites and I'd just made a note to myself that's what's boring is regurgitated information and what's interesting is when someone goes into their kitchen, tries their best and reports the results (photos are appreciated). Maybe that's just me. Not a flashy gal. I'd like to know how does one become a professional writer? OK I am guilty. I just sat down and started doing it. Sounds like Julia2 is going to be getting a regular raking over the coals now. Success has its drawbacks.
PermalinkPermalink 07/25/09 @ 10:12
Comment from: Virginia Willis [Visitor] Email · http://www.virginiawillis.com
I love the dialogue that my post started! Certainly not everyone will agree with me, nor should they.

Thanks so much for including me in your post.

Best VA

PS My bad on poulet au bresse/de bresse. Silly typo. ;-)
PermalinkPermalink 07/26/09 @ 12:06
Comment from: Kim [Visitor] Email · http://www.edibleusable.com
I agree that food blogs have done a lot to promote both the organic and local food movements. The Virginia Willis post illustrates the elite vs. common man dichotomy that exists in every industry and art. For cooking and food, it's especially true. Some people have access to Le Cordon Bleu while others have access to their local 4-H cooking class. The value that is put on classical French cooking is higher because fewer people can do it, rather than because it is necessarily better.

But the interesting thing to me is how newspaper food writers (journalists) are now suffering because most newspapers didn't catch on until very recently how influential blogging and bloggers would be. Now that the 'common man' - untrained writer/cook has an easy way to write, publish and promote their writing, newspapers are in trouble and they are clinging to the old ("we are the elites with all of the answers and training"). The smart newspapers are finally using new media and creating their own blogs with a mix of elite writing and other types as well.

This discussion has further inspired a post that I was already working on on newspaper food sections. More fodder for the mill.
PermalinkPermalink 07/27/09 @ 11:30
Comment from: Corine [Visitor] Email
"Had she even heard of poulet au Bresse?" asks the professional food writer, Virginia Willis.
As a pro, she should know that the name of the dish is not poulet "au Bresse", but poulet "de Bresse", "Bresse" being a place and not an ingredient. I am just being French and fussy.
PermalinkPermalink 07/27/09 @ 13:10
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Note - I deleted several comments that were less of a constructive dialogue and more of an attack of a personal nature. While I appreciate the several people who have defended both me and my position, resorting to vulgar name calling of the person whose comment started this thread is equally destructive.
PermalinkPermalink 07/29/09 @ 09:22
Comment from: Kat Kinsman [Visitor] Email · http://www.slashfood.com/bloggers/kat-kinsman/
Hi Kate,

I just wanted to note that when I write about cooking cow head barbacoa, perfecting my biscuits or pickling summer vegetables for Slashfood, it's surely not because a press release came my way, cajoling me to do so. It's because there are really very few things I prefer doing with my time.

We're a food blog, and that can mean throughout the course of the day that we're reporting on breaking food news, sharing our cooking adventures, reviewing products, commenting on food culture, interviewing chefs and purveyors, or a host of other things. We're not strictly a cooking blog or even always about the physical food or drink.

But hey - that's okay. There are plenty of other wonderful blogs that are more strictly focused, and I enjoy reading a wide range of them, including yours. They make me a better cook and a better writer. I'm sorry if you don't care for what we do in particular but hey - chacun à son goût.
PermalinkPermalink 07/29/09 @ 16:22
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Hiya Kat,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. While I do agree that there are posts on these collective sites that are well thought out and executed, and the distinct aroma of effort, there are some on all of these types of sites that seemingly regurgitate press and ad copy.

Perhaps I would be better served if I didn't brush all the contributors with such a broad stroke, but calling out individual writers of these posts seems even more petty than my original point of view.
PermalinkPermalink 07/29/09 @ 17:24
Comment from: Courtney [Visitor] · http://zombo.com
Wow, I read this whole comment thread and came away with the fact that food bloggers (Note to the gracious hostess- not you!) are impressed with themselves and snobby. Take it easy on the thesaurus, there, people.
PermalinkPermalink 08/01/09 @ 20:48
Comment from: SunshineGrrrl [Visitor] Email
Grrr. I've really avoided posting on this thread. It's kinda contentious and I really didn't want to add to that. It probably will be missed by most however but, I just wanted/needed to point out one thing. While slashfood and top chef etc don't elevate the food dialog, they are easy entry points for those that aren't quite sure what they want to get out of the study of their food. I mean, most of these things start out as a curiousity. In foods case, it is "I want to cook/eat better. What are my options." This is a pretty simple question and any of these provide answers many of which are dumbed down for large audiences. But for many this is where it begins. I mean, looking back, I progressed from my mother teaching me a few things, to watching emerill and rachael, beginning to read through recipe books, playing with recipes, into alton who taught that there was something behind the food. A kind of hidden knowledge that one had to look for, which led me to food blogs and books like "On Food and Cooking" and "Cookwise" as well as entertainment like Bourdain which led me to read his books and then Ruhlman's books and eventually things like Gastronomica.

I mean I get that they are kind of lowest common denominator but everyone has to start somewhere, many people will never start seeing those connections and that's sad, but can we ever be expert on all the things we enjoy? I tend to obsess and that takes a lot of time and energy and while I for instance like wine or like art, I'm not terribly knowledgeable about any of it because I just haven't put in that time nor, much of the time would I know where to start. Does it make me an expert? Certainly not. Is my opinion worthwhile? Maybe to the right person. Maybe someone who wants to the same journey I might take wants to see where I start and how she can adapt and maybe glean some information by standing on my shoulders. And in so doing, I may falter, and may the reader falters with me or maybe she has an aha moment and point me in the right direction or show me what I've missed and we can interact. That's the power of blogs, really. It's not just that regurgitation of information and opinion but in many ways we can discuss it just like we've done here and that's amazing. Anyway, it's just my opinion, but I think those places that most of us consider horrible unsophisticated areas of the web that aren't worth our time, may help someone find their way. It shows them a certain starkness of real information and if they can ever truly see that it is a dirth of information rather than a font, then they can take that next step.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/09 @ 22:59
Comment from: Alex Van Buren [Visitor] · http://slashfood.com
Hi, Kate. I edit Slashfood and am Kat's colleague. I'd love it if you gave our site another look, since we pride ourselves on reporting food news from across the highbrow/ lowbrow spectrum.

Today's posts, for instance, include a multi-sourced trend piece on Republican- and Democratic-themed restaurants in the South, a post on six obscure wines from our sommelier-in-training, a trained chef's introduction to raw food, a review of a new microbrew and a Greek cookbook review with an exacting recap of a baked eggplant recipe. Our writers also contribute to publications like the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, New York Magazine, Gourmet and Martha Stewart Living.

Like Kat, I'm passionate about food. If there's material you think would be a fascinating addition to Slashfood, please do let me know! We're always open to feedback. To echo my colleague, it's a lovely, jam-packed world of food blogs out there, and I do enjoy digging into a variety of 'em.

Warmly,
Alex
PermalinkPermalink 08/03/09 @ 18:51

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