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Are Organics and Locally-Produced Foods 'Elitist'?

05/21/09, by Jennifer Heigl 1727 views • Categories: Food, Food Politics, Food Health and Safety, Eat Local, Organics

Last week, while cruising on the elliptical during my weekly visit to the gym, I had a chance to catch the May 14th episode of Comedy Central's 'The Daily Show with Jon Stewart'. One of the Daily Show reporters, Samantha Bee, had a quick interview with Jeff Stier of the American Council of Science and Health - and I was shocked by many of Mr. Stier's comments.

The discussion at hand revolved around the recent implementation of an organic garden at the White House, thanks to First Lady Michelle Obama. While many have hailed the move as a wonderful encouragement of organics and sustainability by the Obama administration, Mr. Stier had a different take on things.

"The Obama garden should come with a warning label. It's irresponsible to tell people [that] you have to eat organically grown food because not everyone can afford it. It's a serious public issue."

A serious issue? How so, Mr. Stiers?

"If we decide we're only going to eat locally-grown food, we're going to have a lot of starvation...it's elitist to tell people that you need to eat organic food."

Elitist? With organics and locally-grown produce more readily available to the American masses through neighborhood supermarkets and superstores, like Target and Wal-Mart, I think Mr. Stiers is way off the mark by making such a statement. As the ACSH is funded by many of the big pesticide producers, including ConAgra and Dow, perhaps his anti-organic comments were more irresponsible than any argument he might have against the White House garden.

"If the Obamas wanted to send a responsible message, they would use pesticides, teaching children how to be more efficient and how to use chemicals to get more produce."

Ugh!


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Comment from: Paul [Visitor] Email · http://lastchancedinnerclub.wordpress.com/
Didn't see Stiers so I have no opinion about his comments however one could almost make the argument that many fruits and vegetables while an easy choice for those with good incomes are a luxury for those who are just getting by. Of course this is partly because of the underpriced (read subsidized) mass foods but whatever the cause, we tend to forget that you cannot remove food or diets from the context of class.

Half of the nutritional and new great diet sort of advice in magazines is written as though money (or time)was not a factor. And the rest seem to function best as instructions for your personal chef.

If you are making minimum wage and a bell pepper costs $3 (my last one did), oranges are over a dollar each, and you have three kids to take care of, the best choice is something that feeds everyone and gives them enough energy to stay awake.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 12:12
Comment from: Melissa [Visitor] Email · http://aloshaskitchen.blogspot.com
As always, this is a tough issue when you take into account struggling working class folks. It is a fact that the better stuff costs more (and you even talked about that in the post below). How to fix this problem I have no idea.

Thought you might be interested in this too. Googled "Jeff Stier use pesticides" and saw this article from a couple of years ago:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-stier/organic-food-a-detriment-_b_46751.html
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 13:04
Comment from: Pam [Visitor] Email
Heh. I fed three adults plus frequent guests on around $00 / month (sometimes less) and we were almost entirely organic. You just have to shop (and cook) smart to make it work.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 13:50
Comment from: Pam [Visitor] Email
That should say around $400 / month. ooops.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 14:00
Comment from: Jenny [Visitor] Email · http://theredmangetout.blogspot.com/
$00 would be impressive!

While organic and local is aspirational, it's also achievable if you have any access to land. Even a container on a windowsill can produce a few tomatoes or a chilli plant. Organic fruit and veg from a upmarket deli costs much more than the same veg got from a local co-op or farmer.

The Obama's model might not be doable for someone on minimum wage, but the fact that they are now aware that food like that exists and is preferential to junk food is surely some benefit.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 14:56
Comment from: Patricia Eddy [Visitor] Email · http://www.cooklocal.com
We shop almost exclusively at the farmers markets. If you don't take into account grass fed beef and pastured pork, which are very often more expensive than their supermarket counterparts, farmers market fruits and veggies are very often cheaper or the same price as those at the supermarket.

Add to that the fact that more and more farmers markets are taking food stamps/vouchers these days and it is becoming easier for low income folks to shop there. I just don't think people really realize that yet.

I found that interview hilarious. Unfortunately, it's also sad that people really think that way.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 14:58
Comment from: Paula Maack [Visitor] Email · http://www.ambrosiaquest.com
I wasn't aware the Obama administration said any one would "have to" eat anything. If they did, that would be an unwise slap in the face of freedom (of choice).

I think the Obama's are sending a message by setting a prime example about healthy choices, and taking your food and health decisions into your own hands, which is the proper way to lead and inspire change.

Telling people how to live is wrong. Sharing your views and leading by example... that's the ticket. There is nothing elitist about that.

Cheers,

~ Paula

PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 15:11
Comment from: carrie [Visitor] Email · http://helpandbehelped.blogspot.com
i would just like to add that a few years back, i took a class in Economic Anthropology at Humboldt State University and my professor also posited that it was a luxury to be able to eat organic/vegan/blah blah blah. he said that most people don't have the option. now that doesn't mean there is something wrong with it, if you can sustain that sort of lifestyle, but perhaps, on a global scale it is not yet a realistic alternative with regard to rational self-interest.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 16:45
Comment from: LB [Visitor] Email
Yep, forget university degrees and soirees, an organic apple is whre elitism is at.
The price issue of organic is due to supply and demand imbalance, the more you can create demand by getting it out in the public the more people willproduce it the more the price drops. In australia this has happened and I can afford to eat organic vegetables on a student allowance. Not so much the meat unfortunately.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/09 @ 17:10
Comment from: Dr. Cathy Bandyk [Visitor]
As someone who is concerned about long-term, global sustainability, and our collective ability to feed a growing population while preserving sensitive, erodable, or unique lands for wildlife or recreational use, I cannot in good faith consume organically-produced food. Modern agricultural practices and technologies allow efficient conversion of limited natural resources (with land being absolutely finite) to food. There are numerous published and scientifically reviewed studies that quantify these principles. Just because warm and fuzzy adjectives are applied to something doesn't mean it is actually the responsible thing to do.
PermalinkPermalink 05/22/09 @ 10:54
Comment from: Jorge [Visitor] · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
I would completely agree with Dr. Cathy Bandyk. Conventional agriculture is more efficent in the sense that more food is produced with less. Organic agriculture can be anywhere from 10-50% less efficent to produce the same product as conventional agriculture. Not only is organic food most of the time more expensive it isn't always higher quality then conventional food. Environmentally organic can actually be worse for the environment then conventional. Pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers used responibly along with other agronomic practices such as no till, crop rotation, and legume fertilization will ALWAYS be a better way to produce food.
PermalinkPermalink 05/22/09 @ 14:23
Comment from: Bill [Visitor] Email
The Obama's put in a garden. They are GROWING their organic crop.

Growing your own fruits and vegetables is not expensive. In fact quite the opposite. It takes very little room, it can even be done in containers.

The Obama's aren't telling people to buy organic, they are showing people how easy it is to grow organic.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, show a man how to fish and you feed him for life.
PermalinkPermalink 05/22/09 @ 19:17
Comment from: Ken [Visitor] Email
Is there any doubt that the White House tomatoes or whatever will be just about the most expensive produce EVER grown. I feel safe that the weeding, watering, ect will not be handled exclusively by the Obamas. There will be the White House gardening staff who will do all of that. The mere opertunity cost blows the mind. As 1 comment put it, this assumes unlimited time and money but it also assumes a certian level of interest and willingness to do the work. Yes, eating the food that one grows is very satisfing but does anyone think that a windowbox of tomatoes is really going to make a significant difference in the yearly food budget. The self reliance factor is a different story.
PermalinkPermalink 05/23/09 @ 06:06
Comment from: Ken [Visitor] Email
Dr. Cathy Bandyk is addressing the problem. The reports I have seen all indicate that we will need to produce twice as much food to feed the worlds population (by 2050 I think it said). Yes, growing a portion of your own food will help supply but in a lot of the cases it won't work. Many people have no idea what's involved in the production for just 1 meal, much less for the needs of a large city just for a day. Let's hear it for the farmers!
PermalinkPermalink 05/23/09 @ 06:19
Comment from: lisaiscooking [Visitor] Email · http://lisaiscooking.blogspot.com/
I saw that; it was hilarious. He made no sensible argument. Responsible pesticide use was one of the most irresponsible statements I've heard in awhile.
PermalinkPermalink 05/25/09 @ 10:57
Comment from: Gina Spadoni [Visitor] Email · http://twitter.com/gspadoni
I saw that show; while the arguments against organic gardening claiming 'elitism' are indeed ridiculous -- made more so by the pesticide-pushing -- I feel it my duty to point out that it was SUPPOSED to be ridiculous. It was a joke. A spoof. Meant to be ludicrous. I know these are serious issues that need to be considered carefully and with gravitas, but the Jon Stewart show is all about taking an issue, twisting it into a pretzel, and in this way encouraging conversation. I'm glad to see you're having one, but let's please realize the spirit of the show!
PermalinkPermalink 05/25/09 @ 13:11
Comment from: Gina Spadoni [Visitor] Email · http://twitter.com/gspadoni
Oh, gheesh. My bad. Just realized the post (which I obviously just scanned and didn't read carefully) was in fact talking about the ridiculous American Council of Science & Health representative. It is indeed truly amazing that real-life, educated adults could say such things with any sort of seriousness!! Crazy talk, I tell you...
PermalinkPermalink 05/25/09 @ 13:17
Comment from: Will McConnell [Visitor] Email
My mother started a crop "gleaning" walk in Boulder, Colorado 20 years ago to help people with less money be able to eat locally grown produce. The "walkers" gathered produce left in the fields at harvest. As long as there were "walkers" to do the gathering and delivery they were happy to eat locally. But require them to do the gathering and eating locally wasn't such a big deal. Supply and demand will bring more organic products to the market at the expense of commercial farms who feed the world. Maybe we should eat as locally as possible but that means eating what's in season locally. No more fresh veggies in December. Will
PermalinkPermalink 05/25/09 @ 13:42
Comment from: LB [Visitor] Email
Funnily enough I have been speaking to several organic farmers who made the switch from conventional farming to modern, and they have found yields increasing due to various factors. There is also a vast amount of farmland un or underutilised in the African continent. Some estimates I have seen say we could feed, at current agricultural output, 20 billion people.
PermalinkPermalink 05/26/09 @ 06:34
Comment from: Former Ag Teacher [Visitor] Email
Has any one seen a report on how much time the First Lady has spent tending her organic garden since the initial photo op?

What makes organic and local foods
"elitist" is the concept that people with lots of time and money who advocate these food choices the loudest want to compell others with fewer resources to make the same choices. And the elitists generally would be only to happy to support regulation to take away other food options.
PermalinkPermalink 05/26/09 @ 15:24
Comment from: JF [Visitor] Email
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned that organic food production does require the use of pesticide. The difference is that the pesticide is "natural" while conventional farmers use synthetic pesticides.

When your crop is attacked by pests, whether weeds, insects, fungus or nematodes, you must do something to combat them or have no (or severely reduced) crops.

Does no one who has been sold on the concept that organic must be better understand this simple fact?
PermalinkPermalink 06/05/09 @ 12:10

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