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We Get Letters v.32: Cook's Illustrated and Taste

08/02/07 @ 07:35:28 am, by Kate Hopkins Email 3262 views • Categories: Food, Magazines

Sweta writes in with a question about Cook's Illustrated:

Kate,

I have been reading your blog for a long time and really fo enjoy all the information i get from it.

I was wondering about what you thought of Cook's illustrated/America's Test Kitchen... Just curious, I have mixed feelings about them. I somehow dont buy their scientific take on cooking, maybe i'm just cynical. when i really everything they write it always gives me the feeling like its dumb science, either they water down everything for it to be appealing to the public which annoys me. but i know so many people who eat it up. I keep wondering if I am missing something.

Would love to know what u think of them and what do u think of their recipes... the few I've tried havent convinced me of their expertise.

Thanks
Sweta

Thanks for the kind words Sweta. As you were probably able to surmise, I do have an opinion on Cook's Illustrated.

For our friends who do not live in the United States, Cook’s Illustrated is a bimonthly American cooking magazine that works on the premise of extensive recipe testing and gives very thorough write ups of said recipes. I can recall reading a brownie recipe that went on for three pages. The recipe itself was only a column, but the preamble to the recipe went into intricate detail on how they tried different recipes using different ingredients and techniques, all with the intent of developing and publishing the ultimate recipe for making brownies. It's an approach that has worked very well for them, and they were able to parlay their success into a second magazine called Cook's Country.

As for my own opinion, I have to start by explaining my point of view on food magazines - I'm typically not a big fan, although I do enjoy several of them from time to time.

However, I used to be a big fan of the food magazines, and I used to have regular subscriptions to several of them , including Gourmet, Food & Wine, Saveur, as well as Cook's Illustrated. Eventually, I let all of the subscriptions lapse. Some I let lapse when I realized they were writing less about food and more about status and lifestyle. Others simply stopped holding my interest.

Why did I let Cook's Illustrated lapse? I outgrew it.

I outgrew Cook's Illustrated for two reasons. Firstly, their choices of recipes were (and presumably still are) focused on foods that their audience would reasonably be already familiar. This isn't a slight against their magazine, and indeed makes good market sense. It's easier to sell a magazine that has good recipes for apple pie, meatloaf and mashed potatoes than one that focuses on malfatti, choucroute garnie, or even mole poblano. My own food preferences, while having a healthy respect for mainstream foods, often reaches beyond them. I realized that more often than not, I was looking beyond Cook's Illustrated for my recipes.

Secondly, when I did attempt their recipes, I found that I was altering them to fit my own taste. Sometimes it would be something as innocuous as adding additional chocolate chips, or adding more spices to the dish. Other times, I would think that the recipe was deficient in one way or another in regard to cooking times or the resulting texture of the dish. Once this occurred for the third or fourth time, I realized that a magazine cannot scientifically justify taste. There is no ultimate brownie recipe, or one perfect way to cook a steak. Why? Because taste is subjective, and what works for one person will not always work for someone else.

So once I found myself altering their recipes to fit my own tastes, I found a flaw in the magazine's implied tenet. What I once thought was a great magazine had turned into merely a pretty good one. It was then that I realized that I had out grown their magazine.

That's not to say that it's a bad magazine. I think if a person is just starting out in the kitchen, or reacquainting themselves with cooking, Cook's Illustrated is a great place to start. They have many helpful hints, decent product reviews, and most of all, show a dedication and respect towards food that I often find missing in most magazines that fall under the Condé Nast Publications masthead. But that same respect that they work so hard to instill in their readers ended up being the same respect that moved me beyond their demographic. And I'm very curious to hear if anyone has had the same experience that I had.

For the record, the magazines that I currently find myself migrating to at the newsstands include The Art of Eating, Gastronomica, and Saveur. I read these, not because I'm looking for recipes. Rather, I'm looking for context, and these provide that aspect better than most others.

Thanks for the question Sweta, and if you, or anyone else has a question that they would like to ask, feel free to e-mail me at Kate AT accidentalhedonist DOT com.


Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: Brian [Visitor] Email · http://blog.urbanbohemian.com
I absolutely agree. I still own their Best and Best Light recipe cookbooks, and they have some good educational content, but as far as the scope of their recipes, it's definitely "starter" cooking. I incorporate some of their techniques in my own recipes, but I haven't looked to their material for pure inspiration in a long while.

What I enjoy most is their tv show on PBS. It's entertaining, educational and sometimes downright funny while giving good advice regarding cooking techniques, shopping and budget and often how to "rescue" those meals people just can't get right on their own.

Great posting, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 09:22
Comment from: Cris C [Visitor] Email · http://cris.livejournal.com
the only reason why I keep on giving Cooks Illustrated my money is for access to their online archive. I agree that the recipes are mostly focused on basics and comfort food, and once you've discovered a favorite technique for baked mac'n'cheese there's no reason to get the issue with the stove-top mac'n'cheese recipe.

but I do like to peek in on their equipment reviews and ingredient tastings. that stuff does change with time and if I'm ever in the market for, say, upgrading a pan or replacing a cracked coffee grinder then it's nice to query their database to see what their research has dug up.

as a matter of fact, if Chris Kimball were to put out a quarterly Consumer Reports style periodical that just focused on equipment reviews and ingredient tastings, I would seriously consider subscribing to that.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 09:43
Comment from: Aaron [Visitor] Email · http://thorsdaddy.blogspot.com
Kate,

I agree with your take on the magazine. However, I'd like to insert a plug for their "Best Recipe" cookbook. It's the same idea as the magazine, but unlike magazines which get read and tossed, it's a thick cookbook which has replaced 'The Joy of Cooking' as my first-reference book for any cooking task. It's not nearly as complete as the Joy, but for anything that I don't know how to cook but want to eat, I always start with the Best Recipe book and read the pages of text that lead up to the recipe. I always end up altering the recipe itself, but I love reading how and why they think one ought to go about cooking something.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 10:08
Comment from: Ashwini [Visitor] Email · http://dorkilicious.livejournal.com
I like the TV show better than the magazine -- two recipes and two product reviews in half an hour is a better use of my time than 32 pages with, like, four recipes and Chris Kimball's rambly tale of Life as a Good Person of Vermont.

That said, the magazine gave me my absolute favorite recipe for lemon pound cake.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 10:08
Comment from: sweta [Visitor] Email
Kate,
Thanks for the reply. Good to know what people think... I do like to get their take on product and equipment reviews but find that the recipes and the scientific take on them don't satisfy my curiosity about why a recipe is the ultimate recipe for something.
I will have to check the art of eating out, I havent come across it.
Thanks.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 10:35
Comment from: Andrea [Visitor] Email · http://www.andreasrecipes.com
I don't subscribe to the magazine, but I love America's Test Kitchen mainly for the equipment and product reviews. I used to cook with many of their recipes, but as you mentioned, I've sort of outgrown their cookbooks. That being said, I still enjoy some of their recipes, although I think that they should stick with standard and regional US fare and not venture into Asian or Mexican cuisine. I haven't been impressed with their work in those areas, but that's probably because I lived overseas for a while and got the real thing.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 10:38
Comment from: Pam [Visitor] Email
Maybe it's the geek programmer in me, but I enjoy the magazine's experimental style. I read the discovery process to figure out how *I* want to do the recipe. Of course, I never follow recipes exactly. The write-ups give me clues as to which way I want to go with it.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 10:42
I don't agree with your assessement that Cook's Illustrated is for beginner cooks. I have a culinary degree, along with tons of cooking experience. I enjoy the magazine for one simple reason -- I like the science behind their explanations and their reasonings on how they get to the final product. Do all their recipes work out well? No.. Are the descriptions slightly boring? Sometimes.. But nowhere else can I get these behind-the-scenes recaps. And that is worth the subscription price for me.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 11:00
Comment from: Kirsten [Visitor] Email
I agree that the recipes are basic. And yes, I don't often follow the exact recipe after the first go. But I really do like the explanations, (they are admittedly dumbed down). I would consider them 'deconstructed' more than scientific, perhaps.

and b/c taste is subjective, I sometimes disagree with their final or 'ultimate' recipe and my butcher often disagrees on recommended cuts, but i find myself overall looking forward to it each month. From Cook's tht are part of my standards: Belgian Carbonnade, Balsamic Braised Chicken w/ Swiss Chard, Coconut Cream pie, parmesan crusted chicken scallopine. These recipes all work b/c of the trial and error, and unusual solutions to age old standards.

PS - have really be enjoying your Blog!
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 11:55
Comment from: Michael Natkin [Visitor] Email · http://vegfoodie.typepad.com
I generally have the same feeling, though I do use their pancake recipe which produces some seriously fluffy results. I wouldn't in a million years think of using their goofy recipes for curries or even pastas. As far as other magazines go, I often get at least one good thing out of Fine Cooking. They had a flaky biscuit recipe a few months ago that was perfect. (Pictures at http://vegfoodie.typepad.com/vegfoodie/2007/07/flaky-biscuits.html)
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 13:03
Comment from: Cris C [Visitor] Email · http://cris.livejournal.com
sweta -- the reason why you probably haven't run into Art of Eating is that it's a subscription only publication. The only place where I know that you can buy issues of AoE for retail is the Kitchen Arts & Letters store on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

The subscription is expensive, but it's certainly worth it, imho. There was an interview with the editor, Edward Behr, on Salon recently. I don't have the link handy but you should be able to dig it up easily on Google.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 14:06
Comment from: SunshineGrrrl [Visitor] Email
This take on the magazine reminded me of something I recently read in Heat about Tortellini(which is a fun read, by the by). He talks about the Learned Confederation of the Tortellino. A body that gathered together a bunch of people in Italy to discuss what was the definite tortellino. In the end, these guys all got together and compromised on a dish that was close to many italians hearts and probably didn't please anyone. There is no ultimate tortellino(or browny or any other food) because everyone has a different idea of what they want or what they expect from that food. So if their goal, I've only passively looked through one of the issues a couple of years back, was to make "ultimate" recipe, well I can only assume they fail. They might have some things that you enjoy or are better than the things that you bake. And if you want to understand the science behind it, that's awesome, do so. But there are better references. McGee comes to mind though Alton Brown seems to get a lot of that science and even better can entertainingly feed it to you in small portions.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 17:55
Comment from: Eduardo Ramirez [Visitor] Email
Cook's Illustrated is the only food magazine I read. For me it's all about the essays on constructing recipes. It's not only that I like the recipes (although I've enjoyed the majority of recipes I've made). I love how the essays go over the consequences of every choice made along the way. It makes it easy to both picture how the recipe will turn out if you follow it exactly and what effects variations will have on the end result. More than once I've read a cookbook or article and wondered 'Why did the author do this'. There might be a perfectly valid reason, and it might be a key step that adds a major element to the dish. Or it could be like the joke about the cook who cuts the ends of the pot roast because that's how their mother and grandmother did it, and no one remembers that it all started with great grandma having to trim the ends because her pot wasn't big enough to hold it otherwise.

I am always changing things in the kitchen and adapting on the fly. The reason I can do that is because I know what is going on in the oven or on the stove. If you don't understand what is happening with your food, you won't make good choices. It's a lot easier to get things right after reading a thousand words on what the consequences are of changing this and that, as opposed to a short blurb that says 'I had this in a restaurant in Chicago and Loved It! And there were the loveliest flowers on the table. Here's the recipe :'

The reader quicktips, the farm anecdotes, all that stuff I ignore. I don't bother with Cook's Country because it's too much like a conventional clip the recipe and ditch the rest food magazine.

If you're not interested in the types of food they make, the magazine probably won't do you a lot of good. And the danger of outgrowing the magazine is real. The lessons you learn from the magazine are relatively basic foundations and principles stuff. It reminds me of Alton Brown and Good Eats in a lot of ways. After a while, you learn all the lessons they are going to offer and need to move on to reading Harold McGee and Shirley Corriher yourself. Not to mention spending a few dozen or hundred hours in the kitchen. But I promise anyone will get to that point a lot faster after reading a couple issues of Cook's Illustrated.

The hardware reviews and tasting notes, on the other hand, will never get old. Just like everything else, you'll not only learn why the like something, but what they didn't like in the others.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 18:00
Comment from: Jack [Visitor] Email · http://www.ForkandBottle.com
One reason you didn't mention, Kate, that bothers Joanne and I is that Cooks Illustrated has no interest or care in organic or sustainably raised food. Or if something is healthy.

What's particularly amazing about this is, unlike, say, Gourmet, which can't survive with Big Food ads, Cooks Illustrated has none - so it's not beholden to Big Food. So, it's like Cooks Illustrated is still living in the 1980s.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 20:16
Comment from: Maura [Visitor] Email · http://occasionalblond.vox.com/
Kate, you pretty much hit on every complaint I have about Cook's Illustrated. I still get it because my sister buys me a subscription every year for Christmas, but I find it's become much less helpful to me in the last few years.
There are a couple recipes I use faithfully. They worked the first time and I'm never disappointed. But I learned long ago that most recipes don't work the first time, and after trusting CI a little too much, I always test their recipes before serving them to guests.

I don't even consider their recipes for Italian food. They don't have a clue what they're doing. They pretty much Americanize them, and they're not particularly inventive.

It does come down to personal taste, and techniques that work for me. Their insistence on using sugar for caramelizing puzzles me. It's not necessary and it ruins the taste.

I don't get any food magazines anymore. Bon Appetit used to be a favorite, but the last time I picked one up, it was so precious and full of itself that I think I threw it away. I don't know if I changed or the magazine did. Now I mostly use my trusted How to Cook Everything (Mark Bittman). I also refer to The New Basics (Julee Rosso and Sheila Lukens). Rosso and Lukens mostly have their heads up their butts when it comes to recipes, and the few I use have been changed so much they're barely recognizable compared to the original, but the book is full of great information.

I agree that their equipment reviews are very helpful, as are some of the tips sent in by readers. I do still read most of the recipes, but it's been a long time since I've tried one.
And honestly, Kimball's Letter from the Editor bores me silly.
PermalinkPermalink 08/03/07 @ 07:20
Comment from: Diane [Visitor] Email
I don't like their recipes at all - they seem adequate for basic American cooking, but they can't do Asian cuisine of any kind in any decent way. So I don't subscribe to it.

But, as an engineer, I do LOVE their analytical recipe testing. I like reading the process by which they fine-tune recipes. It's pretty interesting, and totally geeky.

So - that's Process, yes. End result, no.
PermalinkPermalink 08/03/07 @ 08:16
Comment from: Rick Bradley [Visitor] Email
They are a trifle presumtuous in declaring thier recipes to be "the best' and I often disagree. I am still low on the culinary learning curve and find thier explanations educational if not convincing.
The taste tests aren't directly useful as few of the same brands are available in Canada but the comments often provoke a re-examination of the products which i buy.
Diane voted for the process and I agree. In explaining the process they allow me to educate myself.
I look forward to checking out your current sources of inspiration.
PermalinkPermalink 08/04/07 @ 20:51

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