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We Get Letters v.32: Cook's Illustrated and Taste

08/02/07, by Kate Hopkins Email 4038 views • Categories: Food, Magazines

Sweta writes in with a question about Cook's Illustrated:

Kate,

I have been reading your blog for a long time and really fo enjoy all the information i get from it.

I was wondering about what you thought of Cook's illustrated/America's Test Kitchen... Just curious, I have mixed feelings about them. I somehow dont buy their scientific take on cooking, maybe i'm just cynical. when i really everything they write it always gives me the feeling like its dumb science, either they water down everything for it to be appealing to the public which annoys me. but i know so many people who eat it up. I keep wondering if I am missing something.

Would love to know what u think of them and what do u think of their recipes... the few I've tried havent convinced me of their expertise.

Thanks
Sweta

Thanks for the kind words Sweta. As you were probably able to surmise, I do have an opinion on Cook's Illustrated.

For our friends who do not live in the United States, Cook’s Illustrated is a bimonthly American cooking magazine that works on the premise of extensive recipe testing and gives very thorough write ups of said recipes. I can recall reading a brownie recipe that went on for three pages. The recipe itself was only a column, but the preamble to the recipe went into intricate detail on how they tried different recipes using different ingredients and techniques, all with the intent of developing and publishing the ultimate recipe for making brownies. It's an approach that has worked very well for them, and they were able to parlay their success into a second magazine called Cook's Country.

As for my own opinion, I have to start by explaining my point of view on food magazines - I'm typically not a big fan, although I do enjoy several of them from time to time.

However, I used to be a big fan of the food magazines, and I used to have regular subscriptions to several of them , including Gourmet, Food & Wine, Saveur, as well as Cook's Illustrated. Eventually, I let all of the subscriptions lapse. Some I let lapse when I realized they were writing less about food and more about status and lifestyle. Others simply stopped holding my interest.

Why did I let Cook's Illustrated lapse? I outgrew it.

I outgrew Cook's Illustrated for two reasons. Firstly, their choices of recipes were (and presumably still are) focused on foods that their audience would reasonably be already familiar. This isn't a slight against their magazine, and indeed makes good market sense. It's easier to sell a magazine that has good recipes for apple pie, meatloaf and mashed potatoes than one that focuses on malfatti, choucroute garnie, or even mole poblano. My own food preferences, while having a healthy respect for mainstream foods, often reaches beyond them. I realized that more often than not, I was looking beyond Cook's Illustrated for my recipes.

Secondly, when I did attempt their recipes, I found that I was altering them to fit my own taste. Sometimes it would be something as innocuous as adding additional chocolate chips, or adding more spices to the dish. Other times, I would think that the recipe was deficient in one way or another in regard to cooking times or the resulting texture of the dish. Once this occurred for the third or fourth time, I realized that a magazine cannot scientifically justify taste. There is no ultimate brownie recipe, or one perfect way to cook a steak. Why? Because taste is subjective, and what works for one person will not always work for someone else.

So once I found myself altering their recipes to fit my own tastes, I found a flaw in the magazine's implied tenet. What I once thought was a great magazine had turned into merely a pretty good one. It was then that I realized that I had out grown their magazine.

That's not to say that it's a bad magazine. I think if a person is just starting out in the kitchen, or reacquainting themselves with cooking, Cook's Illustrated is a great place to start. They have many helpful hints, decent product reviews, and most of all, show a dedication and respect towards food that I often find missing in most magazines that fall under the Condé Nast Publications masthead. But that same respect that they work so hard to instill in their readers ended up being the same respect that moved me beyond their demographic. And I'm very curious to hear if anyone has had the same experience that I had.

For the record, the magazines that I currently find myself migrating to at the newsstands include The Art of Eating, Gastronomica, and Saveur. I read these, not because I'm looking for recipes. Rather, I'm looking for context, and these provide that aspect better than most others.

Thanks for the question Sweta, and if you, or anyone else has a question that they would like to ask, feel free to e-mail me at Kate AT accidentalhedonist DOT com.


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Comment from: sweta [Visitor] Email
Kate,
Thanks for the reply. Good to know what people think... I do like to get their take on product and equipment reviews but find that the recipes and the scientific take on them don't satisfy my curiosity about why a recipe is the ultimate recipe for something.
I will have to check the art of eating out, I havent come across it.
Thanks.
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Comment from: Andrea [Visitor] Email · http://www.andreasrecipes.com
I don't subscribe to the magazine, but I love America's Test Kitchen mainly for the equipment and product reviews. I used to cook with many of their recipes, but as you mentioned, I've sort of outgrown their cookbooks. That being said, I still enjoy some of their recipes, although I think that they should stick with standard and regional US fare and not venture into Asian or Mexican cuisine. I haven't been impressed with their work in those areas, but that's probably because I lived overseas for a while and got the real thing.
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Comment from: Pam [Visitor] Email
Maybe it's the geek programmer in me, but I enjoy the magazine's experimental style. I read the discovery process to figure out how *I* want to do the recipe. Of course, I never follow recipes exactly. The write-ups give me clues as to which way I want to go with it.
PermalinkPermalink 08/02/07 @ 10:42
I don't agree with your assessement that Cook's Illustrated is for beginner cooks. I have a culinary degree, along with tons of cooking experience. I enjoy the magazine for one simple reason -- I like the science behind their explanations and their reasonings on how they get to the final product. Do all their recipes work out well? No.. Are the descriptions slightly boring? Sometimes.. But nowhere else can I get these behind-the-scenes recaps. And that is worth the subscription price for me.
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Comment from: Michael Natkin [Visitor] Email · http://vegfoodie.typepad.com
I generally have the same feeling, though I do use their pancake recipe which produces some seriously fluffy results. I wouldn't in a million years think of using their goofy recipes for curries or even pastas. As far as other magazines go, I often get at least one good thing out of Fine Cooking. They had a flaky biscuit recipe a few months ago that was perfect. (Pictures at http://vegfoodie.typepad.com/vegfoodie/2007/07/flaky-biscuits.html)
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Comment from: SunshineGrrrl [Visitor] Email
This take on the magazine reminded me of something I recently read in Heat about Tortellini(which is a fun read, by the by). He talks about the Learned Confederation of the Tortellino. A body that gathered together a bunch of people in Italy to discuss what was the definite tortellino. In the end, these guys all got together and compromised on a dish that was close to many italians hearts and probably didn't please anyone. There is no ultimate tortellino(or browny or any other food) because everyone has a different idea of what they want or what they expect from that food. So if their goal, I've only passively looked through one of the issues a couple of years back, was to make "ultimate" recipe, well I can only assume they fail. They might have some things that you enjoy or are better than the things that you bake. And if you want to understand the science behind it, that's awesome, do so. But there are better references. McGee comes to mind though Alton Brown seems to get a lot of that science and even better can entertainingly feed it to you in small portions.
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Comment from: Eduardo Ramirez [Visitor] Email
Cook's Illustrated is the only food magazine I read. For me it's all about the essays on constructing recipes. It's not only that I like the recipes (although I've enjoyed the majority of recipes I've made). I love how the essays go over the consequences of every choice made along the way. It makes it easy to both picture how the recipe will turn out if you follow it exactly and what effects variations will have on the end result. More than once I've read a cookbook or article and wondered 'Why did the author do this'. There might be a perfectly valid reason, and it might be a key step that adds a major element to the dish. Or it could be like the joke about the cook who cuts the ends of the pot roast because that's how their mother and grandmother did it, and no one remembers that it all started with great grandma having to trim the ends because her pot wasn't big enough to hold it otherwise.

I am always changing things in the kitchen and adapting on the fly. The reason I can do that is because I know what is going on in the oven or on the stove. If you don't understand what is happening with your food, you won't make good choices. It's a lot easier to get things right after reading a thousand words on what the consequences are of changing this and that, as opposed to a short blurb that says 'I had this in a restaurant in Chicago and Loved It! And there were the loveliest flowers on the table. Here's the recipe :'

The reader quicktips, the farm anecdotes, all that stuff I ignore. I don't bother with Cook's Country because it's too much like a conventional clip the recipe and ditch the rest food magazine.

If you're not interested in the types of food they make, the magazine probably won't do you a lot of good. And the danger of outgrowing the magazine is real. The lessons you learn from the magazine are relatively basic foundations and principles stuff. It reminds me of Alton Brown and Good Eats in a lot of ways. After a while, you learn all the lessons they are going to offer and need to move on to reading Harold McGee and Shirley Corriher yourself. Not to mention spending a few dozen or hundred hours in the kitchen. But I promise anyone will get to that point a lot faster after reading a couple issues of Cook's Illustrated.

The hardware reviews and tasting notes, on the other hand, will never get old. Just like everything else, you'll not only learn why the like something, but what they didn't like in the others.
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Comment from: Jack [Visitor] Email · http://www.ForkandBottle.com
One reason you didn't mention, Kate, that bothers Joanne and I is that Cooks Illustrated has no interest or care in organic or sustainably raised food. Or if something is healthy.

What's particularly amazing about this is, unlike, say, Gourmet, which can't survive with Big Food ads, Cooks Illustrated has none - so it's not beholden to Big Food. So, it's like Cooks Illustrated is still living in the 1980s.
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Comment from: Diane [Visitor] Email
I don't like their recipes at all - they seem adequate for basic American cooking, but they can't do Asian cuisine of any kind in any decent way. So I don't subscribe to it.

But, as an engineer, I do LOVE their analytical recipe testing. I like reading the process by which they fine-tune recipes. It's pretty interesting, and totally geeky.

So - that's Process, yes. End result, no.
PermalinkPermalink 08/03/07 @ 08:16
Comment from: Rick Bradley [Visitor] Email
They are a trifle presumtuous in declaring thier recipes to be "the best' and I often disagree. I am still low on the culinary learning curve and find thier explanations educational if not convincing.
The taste tests aren't directly useful as few of the same brands are available in Canada but the comments often provoke a re-examination of the products which i buy.
Diane voted for the process and I agree. In explaining the process they allow me to educate myself.
I look forward to checking out your current sources of inspiration.
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