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Omnivores and Herbivores - Living together?!?

05/16/07, by Kate Hopkins Email 2095 views • Categories: Vegetarianism

This past Sunday, readers of the Seattle Times were treated to a piece of hard hitting food journalism which asked the basic question - Can carnivores, herbivores, break bread together?

We'll ignore the basic premise that there are humans out there who are strictly carnivores (quick trivia fact - there aren't), and instead redefine the question to include omnivores into the equation.

But first, let's check to see that there was no hyperbole in the reporter's approach to the story...

Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans ... are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit," ranted television chef Anthony Bourdain in his book "Kitchen Confidential: Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly."

Not to be outdone, Carol J. Adams, a vegan feminist, calls omnivores insincere, obtuse and unenlightened in her book "How to Live Among Meat Eaters: The Vegetarian's Survival Handbook." In a recent interview, she calls eggs "chicken ova" and meat "the carcasses of innocent animals." Not exactly bridge-building rhetoric.

While both Bourdain and Adams have received flack for their extremism, neither is alone in their sentiments.

Ummm...okaaaay. Maybe the article was a tad bit over the edge.

Jonathan Mahler, 27, a vegan, has learned to go for a walk around the block when his girlfriend cooks meat in their home. Chuck Bourg, 25, lived in a house where all meat — even freeze-dried bags of chicken-flavored Top Ramen — had to be kept in Ziploc bags on the porch.

So what does all this mean? Are we destined for a culinary apartheid?

Culinary apartheid? I'm sorry, but when someone is a vegetarian in a society that caters to omnivores, there's an cultural separation inherent in that decision. "Culinary apartheid" has already occurred.

But I'm arguing semantics here.

In my own reality, such as it is, the vegans and vegetarians I have come across (and who have written to me) have been more than diplomatic. It is only a handful of vegetarians who have come across as more fundamentalist and evangelical when talk has turned to food. My suspicion is that it is the vegetarians that are more often slighted and offended by carnivores with unthinking and offhanded comments and behaviors.

But generally speaking, I don't think there's this tremendous culinary divide, any more so than there is with people who avoid foods due to Kosher laws, Halal tenets, allergy concerns, non-sustainable food practices, or even simple matters of taste.

For myself, the only concern I have is to respect the choices others have made as long as they respect my own. And yes, the "as long as" qualifier is a bit immature on my part, but I'm not about to deny my own fallibilities.

So, can omnivores and vegetarians live together in harmony? Of course they can, and do so every day. Certainly there's a contingent from both sides who act like doofuses and dorks, but this is common in any group of believers. At the end of the day, we all add to the conversation, and that is where beauty exists.


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Comment from: jenny [Visitor] Email
I'm not really a proper veggie any more, I eat fish and eggs and dairy but I dont eat meat. I co-exist very happily with my meat eating husband. Granted, he doesnt get much meat at home as he doesnt cook, but we seem to survive. In fact I've never really had a problem with meat eaters.
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/07 @ 10:11
Comment from: Barbara [Visitor] Email · http://www.tigersandstrawberries.com
I generally don't care who eats what, so long as they are respectful of other people's food choices and don't make an utter nuisance of themselves over what they eat or don't eat.

I am careful to respect people's dietary restrictions because of health, religious, and ethical prohibitions, and I hope that they can respect my dietary choices.

I'd like to see people eat healthier, more sustainable foods, and less processed foods, but I am not going to rag them about it if they choose not to.

That said, I have issues with people who make a big issue out of their own food neuroses at the table, or when answering invitations to dinner. I cannot stand people who comment on other diner's choices in a restaurant in a negative, immature way, nor can I deal with people who expect the host of a dinner party to cater to their own particular food whims to the tune of, "Well, I cannot stand broccoli, onions, garlic, beans, meat, and I don't do carbs."

Nor do I care for people who do not adequately read the description of items on a menu and so when the salad appears with croutons (which was noted in the menu), they send the salad back with a sniff, "Oh, croutons. I -cannot- eat -those-."

I mean, really. The diner could have just quietly removed the croutons and not eaten them, and not made the waitress walk back to the kitchen. What a self-centered twit! (And yes, that happened in a local restaurant last week, and pissed me off utterly. I couldn't help but overhear the obnoxious way they treated the waitress, because they were loud and in the booth right behind me. There is no excuse to be rude to anyone like that.)
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/07 @ 10:45
Comment from: zenzele [Visitor] Email
Must've been a slow news day...

Either way, I really don't see this topic as being a really big problem, except in the minds of those who have assigned comedians and sitcom stars as their leaders. In fact, articles like that one only serve to create a problem, where there was none. The rest of us get along just fine. As for folks who constantly boast about how picky they are, yeah, they annoy me, too, and I make it my business not to go to restaurants with them, since eating is an enjoyable adventure, at least to me.
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/07 @ 12:40
Comment from: Mithrandir [Visitor] Email · http://www.soundandfury.info/
I've spent a lot of time sharing meals with di et-restricted individuals of one sort or another in the last five years. It doesn't really matter if its an allergy, ethical stance or just plain pickiness: the omnivore loses something.

So while I believe it is important to respect the dietary restrictions of others, I also believe it is equally important for di et-restricted individuals to recognize that extra effort and sacrifice goes into accommodating them, and be appropriately grateful.

By the way, it may be a bad idea to have the word "d i e t" spam filtered on a food blog :)
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/07 @ 12:55
Comment from: jamier [Visitor]
I live in the city with friends who eat meat, and there's never any problem. However, I work in the suburbs, and I just don't go out to eat with my coworkers, even when there are "free lunch" days. It's pretty rare to find a vegetarian/vegan-friendly chain restaurant. I've ordered soup or salad at a restaurant and had it arrive with bacon chunks or chicken stock, despite that not being listed on the menu and being assured by the waiter that the food is vegetarian. I've ordered mixed vegetables and had them arrive with giant prawns (also not listed on the menu). Usually, there aren't even options on the menu that sound vegetarian.
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/07 @ 13:35
Comment from: raspil [Visitor] Email · http://raspil.blogspot.com
i could deal with a vegetarian but i know they couldn't deal with me. who is the more open-minded of the two? someone who accepts food in all its forms or someone who doesn't for (usually -- and i'm generalizing here) political reasons? i'll be damned if i'll let politics dictate what i eat, but that's just me, an unenlightened omnivore.
PermalinkPermalink 05/16/07 @ 19:12
Comment from: ashamanja babu [Visitor] Email
Honestly, in my experience, omnivores tend to take offense more easily than vegatarians/vegans. Many of the omnivores I've known seem offended at the very idea that someone would reject meat for any reason, and label it as just being "picky."

I think a lot of offended omnivores react not to the person they see in front of them, but to a mythical vegatarian stereotype of a militant, animal-rights activist party-pooper who's just too picky to appreciate good food and who just wants to complain over everyone's good time and try to make them feel bad about their steak. I've never met one of these people, and if they even exist, I certainly wouldn't imagine them to be the majority.
PermalinkPermalink 05/17/07 @ 06:12
Comment from: Former Seattle-ite [Visitor] Email
I don't think it is that big a deal. Only when I plan a dinner party do I take it into consideration. The point for cooking a wonderful dinner for friends is for everyone one to enjoy it. If the meal is anchored by by pastured poultry, pork or grass-fed beef, then I don't want my vegetarian friends to be feel left out and/or starving. If I am doing a dinner party where I am preparing a buffet where there's a wide variety of cooking that I am doing, then I mix the guest list. The point is to enjoy the food, the cooking and the company. Under no circumstances do I like people who pontificate about their food choices at a dinner party. It's rude to the host and makes for horrible conversation at the dinner.
PermalinkPermalink 05/17/07 @ 07:47
Comment from: matt [Visitor] Email · http://www.nomusebefriends.com
I have been either vegan or vegetarian for almost ten years now (currently eating seafood and eggs). I've found in that time that, while i'm always respectful of what people want to eat or not eat, and even though veggies have a militant rep, it's always meat eaters who make an issue out of it, or think it's funny to wave meat in my face. Unless there are a bunch of crazie vegs out there that i've never encountered, i think the reputation is ill deserved.
On topic; As i live in utah, most of the girls i've met and dated have not been vegetarians, but i've never had a problem. I've cooked steak for dates, and have bought dinner regularly where they got meat and i didn't. I don't see why it would ever be an issue? a relationship is about compromise and acceptance, right? If you like me for me, and i like you for you, who gives a damn what we do or do not eat?
PermalinkPermalink 05/17/07 @ 09:50
Comment from: Sarah [Visitor]
It is certainly true that in an omnivorous world, it is we vegetarians/vegans who are self-separating, in a sense. But that doesn't excuse the hateful attitudes some omnis spew at us when we're dining together. I try to keep my eating preferences (b/c it is a preference, after all) quiet - they're no one's business but my own - but still, there are quite a few omnis out there who want to laugh, make jokes, argue with us (trust me, I have no interest in arguing my "case"), etc. I have NEVER met a vegetarian who acts in the fundamentalist way that is portrayed in the article or by the earlier commenter "raspil." People like him/her make generalizations (based on what? ignorance and self-superiority, I guess) that have no basis in reality. Come on, people, we're adults and can choose what we want/dont' want to eat. Omnis have no right to act like jerks to us (happens all the time) just because our food choices threaten them.
PermalinkPermalink 05/17/07 @ 10:46
Comment from: Blake [Visitor] Email
I think what is slightly offensive about Vegetarianism and Veganism to some people is the fact that it is essentially a luxury. When I first went to college, I thought I would try to be a vegetarian. I quickly realized that as a poor student, I would not be able to get the proper nutrients my body needed on a strict budget whilst being a strict vegetarian. The same can be said for diets that include mostly organics, or more sustainable foods, and less processed foods. In most parts of the world, it is not reasonable to think that people should be taking these things into account when "choosing" what to eat. In fact, most people don't have the luxury of choosing at all. They eat to live.
PermalinkPermalink 05/17/07 @ 16:55
Comment from: Sarah [Visitor]
Blake, I understand that your argument is a commonly-heard one, but it is silly. Beans are far far cheaper than meat, and nutritionally superior. You think that McDonalds isn't a luxury??? Most people in the developing world eat little to no meat, and when they do - it is the meat that is a luxury!
PermalinkPermalink 05/18/07 @ 07:54
Comment from: Blake [Visitor] Email
Sara-
Point taken... But, I must say that I certainly didn't mean to imply (nor do I think) that in developing countries people are dining on meat everyday. That is silly. I guess the simple point I was trying to make is how LUCKY we are that we are faced with so many dietary options in our society.
But, now I'm sitting here trying to figure out if I truly think that McDonalds is a luxury. Thanks! :)
PermalinkPermalink 05/18/07 @ 08:10
Comment from: Shannon [Visitor] · http://simplycookingwordpress.com
I have lived on both sides, having been a vegetarian for years. Now I eat poultry and fish. My husband eats all meat, but rarely cooks it at home, and I believe my influences (I am the cook) have been good for his health. In my experience, omnivores are mostly perplexed by vegetarians, and some, I believe, strike out because they erroneously believe that vegetarians feel more righteous or somehow "better" than them.

Many times I have hosted dinner parties that were entirely meatless, and no one complained or even noticed. The key is not to label it a "vegetarian" dinner. Everyone loves lasagne, for instance, which is quite substantial even when made without meat.
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/07 @ 06:32
Comment from: Sarah [Visitor]
Blake - Gotcha. I just reacted to the idea that people might be offended by the fact that a Western vegetarian is making a food choice. We do all make food choices - some people don't eat brussel sprouts, I don't eat animal flesh. Choices, right? And yeah, I guess I see the point that fast food is so cheap that it's not really a luxury in contemporary society. It just _should_ be a once-in-a-while food choice, given how anti-healthy it is!
PermalinkPermalink 05/21/07 @ 10:30

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