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A Question for the Ages- How to Classify a Brownie?

12/07/06, by Kate Hopkins Email 1361 views • Categories: Food

O n the way home from Canada I put forth the following question to Tara: Is the delicious chocolate brownie that we all know and love a cookie or a cake?

What followed that question was a half hour discussion on what constitutes a cookie, a cake and even a bar. Like many of our discussions surrounding food, nothing was fully resolved, aside from the fact that we both have fairly strong opinions on fairly trivial matters.

However, we've both done some canvassing of various co-workers and friends via e-mail and conversations. Here are some of the comments.

  • "Cake! It's definitely not a cookie.... I'm pretty strict about what is called a cookie vs. what isn't - a cookie is a shape, not the ingredients that make the shape. So if it's not in the shape of a cookie - it ain't a cookie."
  • "It's a cake isn't it? I mean, it doesn't have icing and it's denser than a cake, but it's still a cake. It's cake-ish."
  • "Now that is a perplexing questions re the brownie’s. I think they are pretty much something to put ice cream on and as a result in a category all their own."
  • "I don't think brownies are a cake. But I can see why some people think that they can be. But I don't think they're cookies either, but I can also see why other people believe that they are. They are offered on cookie tables at Christmas after all".
  • "A brownie is not a cookie, nor would I say it is a cake. My Midwest upbringing classifies brownies, rice krispie treats, and related ilk as bars. Are bars not a common culinary-accepted term or 'genre?' So rigid. If forced to choose, to me, a cookie is more 'wafer-ish,' as in thin, therefore a brownie in particular would be more cake than cookie – it is not thin, but has 'loft' and a cakey texture (and frosting)."

My response to the "A brownie is a bar" argument...aren't bars a cookie variant? It's is socially acceptable to have more than one bar in one sitting, much like it's socially acceptable to eat more than one cookie at one sitting. But it's socially unacceptable to have more than one slice of cake at one sitting.

Additionally, aren't Fig Newtons bar-like? Aren't they considered cookies? Or are fig newtons the 'missing link' between cookies and bars?

Feel free to add your opinion to this completely trivial matter in the comments below.

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Comment from: wintermute [Visitor] · http://wmute.livejournal.com
> But it's socially unacceptable to have more than one slice of cake at one sitting.

So all this time, I've been committing social faux pas? If eating lots of cake is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

But back on topic, I'd be in the "cake" camp.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 08:32
Comment from: Gary [Visitor]
"It's a candy mint. It's a breath mint..."

(I vote for cake.)
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 08:45
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor] · http://everythingfromscratch.blogspot.com
Are bars and squares the same thing? If so, then count me in the bar camp. While it may be socially acceptable to eat more than one bar or cookie in a sitting, they are still morphologically distinct.

But a Newton? Hmm. There, I'm not sure.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 09:07
Comment from: Jim [Visitor]
Man oh man, this is why I love this site. :)

(it's a bar, and yes, that's a cookie-variant, a square cookie, if you will)
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 09:20
Comment from: shel [Visitor]
A brownie is a brownie -- in a class all by itself!
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 09:34
Comment from: shel [Visitor]
Kate,
I'm confused. I did not make the above comment. Did someone purposely use my moniker?
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 09:52
Comment from: Paul [Visitor] · http://cookiesetc.blogspot.com
A brownie is a bar, a bar is a cookie, so a brownie is a cookie.

Finally, that logic class in college is paying off!
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 09:55
Comment from: ACurmudgeon [Visitor]
a brownie is a flat muffin.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 10:15
Comment from: ben [Visitor] · http://bengarland.com
Isn't it just a brownie? I mean, it seems like that would be saying "is a cake an orange or an apple?" it's neither, it's a cake. and a brownie is a brownie.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 10:22
Comment from: Jason Baldwin [Visitor] · http://fivepics.com
"Fig Newtons are fruit and cake!"

At least that's what the commercial says. :)
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 10:24
Comment from: Sheryl [Visitor] · http://www.saveyourfork.com
Brownies are "squares".

Or what some people call bars. Although for the life of me, since they're cut in squares, I could never figure out why they were called bars.

If you cut them in bar shapes, they're "bars", if you cut 'em square, they're "squares"!

Not cake, not cookies. Squares.

Or bars.

Ow, my head, I need some chocolate.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 10:32
Comment from: George [Visitor]
Cookies typically feature a textural contrast, a crispy outside with a softer inside. Since brownies rarely have such contrast, I think they are more likely a cake.

The word cookie is derived from the Dutch word koekje which means.....little cake. I would submit that all cookies are, in fact, cakes and therefore brownies are cake.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 11:05
Comment from: Gary [Visitor]
Yeah, but if it's a brownie with nuts, is it a nutcake??
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 12:45
Comment from: Robert del Grosso [Visitor]

I'm with George: cookies, bars and brownies are cakes. That writ, I think that the question is a bit misconceived since each thing is man made so have have more in common than things that appear via natural selection.

I'll bet that given enough time and caffeine I could make a convincing argument that Yoko Ono's bed is a cookie while the Sears Tower is, in fact, a cake.

PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 14:16
Comment from: AndrewR [Visitor]
A brownie is a type of slice.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 20:38
Comment from: Christine [Visitor] · http://gypsysoul73.blogspot.com
Yikes! I've been committin social faux pas too! One slice of cake is never enough! Especially if there's more than one cake.

Oh and I say brownies are a "barookie!" there. Arguments over. :)
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 20:50
Comment from: Ben [Visitor]
Only one piece of cake per sitting? What kind of labor camp were you raised in?
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 21:33
Comment from: Maureen [Visitor]
Doctors are always telling us not to eat cake or cookies....but a brownie is made from chocolate which comes from a plant. Since we all know chocolate comes from a plant and is a basic food group it is in it's own category...right next to vegies. Now....where is that platter of brownies............
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 22:05
Comment from: Nicholas Caratzas [Visitor]
I always used the same pan for brownies and coffee cake so they're filed under "cake" in my mind. Of course, under that system, California Dip should go under "cereal," so maybe it's time to get a new system.
PermalinkPermalink 12/07/06 @ 22:34
Comment from: Ms. E. M. [Visitor]
Brownies are bars! If your brownies are cakes, you're doing it wrong. An ideal brownie is chewy and fudgy, not fluffy and cakey.

This also brings up one of my favorites: Cheesecake. Cake or Pie?

Some things just have a class of their own.
PermalinkPermalink 12/08/06 @ 08:14
Comment from: wintermute [Visitor] · http://wmute.livejournal.com
> An ideal brownie is chewy and fudgy, not fluffy and cakey.

And an ideal fruitcake (which seems to be a rare thing in America) is chewy and moist, not fluffy and "cakey".

But I'm pretty sure it's a cake.
PermalinkPermalink 12/08/06 @ 10:25
Comment from: kitchenmage [Visitor] · http://blog.kitchenmage.com/
No wait a minute! Square is a matter of cutting, not a 'thing' so saying they are squares is like saying that if I cut my brownies in wedges they are pies. Wrong, wrong, wrong!

To go on with the shape question: Brownies are cut in squares or rectangles, not bars, but we don't call them rectangles. I think that means we must look beyond the shape of the slice for the name.

Can I nominate a new one? Sheet cookies. I mostly like it because of the double entendre (hey baby, wanna be my sheet cookie?) but it's also more accurate than most of what we use. Cookie-like (can be unfrosted, eating multiples is ok, snack rather than dessert, etc) and made in a sheet rather than individually.
PermalinkPermalink 12/11/06 @ 17:15
Comment from: Steve [Visitor] · http://www.forlovenormoney.me.uk
Does it not fall under the "tray-bake" banner?
PermalinkPermalink 12/12/06 @ 11:20

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