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Chicken "Pho"

11/13/05, by Kate Hopkins Email 5702 views • Categories: Food, Soups, Stews and Chilis

Do you want to know what I dislike? Being ill on the weekend.I spend all week preparing myself for a peaceful couple of days without worrying about Software Quality practices, and then I find myself coughing and with a gravel-like voice that would make Bea Arthur go "Damn, girl".

Not wanting to waste an opportunity, I figured this weekend would now be best to make a soup. Not chicken noodle, which, although tasty, is kinda passe. For me I wanted to do Chicken Pho. Or rather , Chicken phở.

Chicken phở is, most likely, an American variation of the traditional Vietnamese soup. There's no standard, so as long you have a broth with a bit of citrus and a touch of fish sauce. Then there should be rice noodles, onions and bean sprouts. Everything else you can probably use your best estimation, personal taste or both.

UPDATE: I think now it's fairly clear that what I've made here is not Pho. So all of the above? Disregard. This is Asian style chicken soup. You guys have convinced me.

As penance, I intend to make an actual pho sometime in the upcoming months. Any thoughts on where I should start?

Broth

  • bones from 1 whole rotisserie chicken
  • 12 cups of water
  • 1 yellow onion
  • 2 Tablespoons of olive oil
  • 1/2 head of broccoli
  • 1 cup white wine,dry
  • 1/8 cup lime juice
  • 2 Tablespoons fish sauce
  • 1 bay leaf
  • 1 Tablespoon peppercorns
  • 2 teaspoons kosher salt

Soup Ingredients

  • 1 yellow onions, sliced
  • 1 head of broccoli florets
  • 1 oz of dried morel mushrooms
  • Meat from one whole rotisserie chicken
  • 1 lb rice noodles
  • 2 cups of chopped green onions
  • Basil, to taste
  • Sliced jalepenos, as desired
  • Bean sprouts, as desired
  • Cilantro,to taste
  • Slices of lime

Remove the meat from your whole rotisserie chicken. Set the meat aside, and place the bones in a large stock pot. Add twelve cups of water and set over low heat.

Place your onions in a medium skillet. Add a touch of oil and fry the onions until carmelized. Add the onions to the stockpot.

Raise the heat under the stockpot to medium high. Add the broccoli, white wine, lime juice, fish sauce, bay leaf, peppercorns and salt. Bring the broth to a boil, and the lower the heat to low, allowing the broth to get to a simmer. Simmer the broth, partially covered, for at least one hour, but 4-5 would be better, as the longer time will help draw out as much of the flavors into the broth.

When you're ready to use the broth for the soup, strain out as much of the solids as you can.

To the broth, add the sliced onions, the broccoli florets, dried mushrooms and the chicken meat. Maintain soup at a simmer.

Meanwhile, cook the rice noodles as per instructions. When complete, add to the broth as well. Bring the broth up to medium heat and cook for 10 minutes. Add the two cups of chopped green onions.Ladle into your serving bowl.

Add basil, cilantro, jalepenos and bean sprouts as you see fit. Top with a slice of lime and chile sause or hoison sauce.

Serves 8 - 10

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Comment from: Kalyn [Visitor] · http://kalynskitchen.blogspot.com
I have a home rotisserie, so I love to make rotisserie chicken. This sounds like a lovely way to use up the leftover chicken carcass. Thanks.
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 11:19
Comment from: Ann [Visitor]
I'm floored. At the very least, don't you need some star anise in the broth? A little cinnamon stick? The magic of pho is the broth seasoning, not what's floating in the soup, or even the type of bones you thrown in the pot. (But broccoli?!? Still, a lesser sin...)

I've had earth shakingly good vegetarian pho at Than Bros in Seattle-- which was seasoned much like traditional pho.

I don't know. I'm teasing, but I'm also a little afraid for a world that rewrites the sacred texts of pho broth seasonings...
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 11:52
Comment from: Ann [Visitor]
Oops- forgot... EIGHT ounces of dried morels? Are you a forager? 8 ounces makes this rather a pricy dish.
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 11:56
Comment from: Barbara Fisher [Visitor] · http://www.tigerberries.blogspot.com
We just had a delicious pho last night in Columbus. Traditional beef, though, not chicken.

I have made the beef version of pho--I just dislike the smell of the beef bones when they first start to simmer. Chicken bones smell better. However, when I get the new kitchen done, the exhaust vent I am getting will be strong enough to take most of the unpleasant beef bone smell out early in the cooking, so the whole house won't smell icky--and then, as the stock develops into that delicately seasoned pho scent--that can perfume the house all it wants.

I agree with Ann on the seasonings bit. I use star anise and cinnamon stick in mine, as well as parsnips of all things. Nicole Routhier's mother used them, and they add a delicate sweetness to the broth. Give it a shot next time you make the soup.
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 12:43
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Updated the mushroom weight. I had no idea where 8 oz came from, as the package reads 1.oz.

Good catch.

As for everything else ? Nope, no star anise or cinnamon. We went cheap.

I wasn't too keen on getting specific, simply an easy dish for one with a small fever.
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 14:20
Comment from: Kate Hopkins [Member] Email · http://www.accidentalhedonist.com
Damn straight on Than bros. , btw.
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 14:37
Comment from: nichole [Visitor] · http://www.madisonatoz.com/
Pho has its own blog, more reviews than recipes:

http://www.hewnandhammered.com/pho/
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/05 @ 15:03
Comment from: Gia [Visitor] · http://www.gia-gina.blogspot.com
Kate I hate to say that Pho is standardized. My parents are from Vietnam and beef pho is made usually the same way all the time. I've eaten it all over the place, in Seattle, NYC, SF and Canada and it always tastes similar. The secret is a great broth, clear and tasty. Although everyone puts their own seasonings in it, my dad says a good pho begins with the broth.

Chicken Pho is on menus but I've never had it since I am in love with the beef version, the good stuff uses oxtail....yummm...Sorry to be a stickler but I've eaten this soup since I could feed myself and have enjoyed every last bowl.
PermalinkPermalink 11/14/05 @ 13:58
Comment from: Pim [Visitor] · http://chezpim.typepad.com
Kate,

You made a good soup. An Asian-inspired noodle soup, perhaps, but that was not Pho.

Pho is certainly standardized. Of course, as with many traditional recipes, there are always variations. But there is certainly a standard set of spices in the broth, and a common list of garnish in the soup. Neither morels nor broccoli florets fall into either category.

I'm sure your soup was delicious and was precisely what you needed at the time, but sorry, I'm traditional when it comes to these things, so to me, that wasn't pho. You probably should have called it Chicken "Pho".

cheers,
Pim
PermalinkPermalink 11/15/05 @ 00:41
Comment from: Pim [Visitor] · http://chezpim.typepad.com
Oh, and forgot to say, sorry to hear you were sick. I'm glad you are better.

cheers,
Pim
PermalinkPermalink 11/15/05 @ 00:50
Comment from: Gia [Visitor] · http://www.gia-gina.blogspot.com
Same here, I ditto Pim. Hope you feel better.
PermalinkPermalink 11/15/05 @ 09:44
Comment from: Barbara Fisher [Visitor] · http://www.tigerberries.blogspot.com
I always forget that I am odd and not everyone has cinnamon stick and star anise in her spice cupboard.

While beef pho always tastes similar all over the place--I hesitate to say it always tastes "the same." Some cooks use more star anise, some more cinnamon. Some add parsnips, others do not, and some use a saltier variety of fish sauce near the end than others.

So while I agree that in large part, beef pho is standardized and everyone uses the same basic recipe--I don't think the results always taste the same.

So while the essence of pho is the broth--a good, clear broth with just a bit of shimmering beef fat beading the top--there are subtle differences between broths from cook to cook and restaurant to restaurant.

So--I have a question--has -anyone- who has commented here had gai pho? I know I haven't.
PermalinkPermalink 11/15/05 @ 09:57
Comment from: Tara C [Visitor] · http://www.dementedkitty.com
All this fuss about left-over noodle soup? I've always made it with broth, noodles, cilantro, basil, fish sauce, and whatever bits remain from recent meals that remain in my kitchen. I have no clue how authentic that is but I'm willing to guess that's exactly how pho started... sort of like ravioli.

"Hmmm. I have this left-over cheese and other stuff. They aren't enough for meals by themselves so I'll put them together and stuff them in pasta. A little sauce and no one will give a bald cat's left toe what it is so long as it's tasty."

*shrug*  Call it pho or pho-get about it. Kate was sick and she dug it. That's good enough pho me.
PermalinkPermalink 11/15/05 @ 17:48

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